Film Theory: The Joker Is Not Real (Joker 2019 Spoiler Free)

  • Published: 08 September 2019
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    This year we are getting a seemingly brand new take on the classic Batman villain, the Joker. This version stars Joaquin Phoenix as a failed comedian named Arthur Fleck - a new name for the old character. People are saying it's a whole new origin story for the Joker and I think that's true... but maybe not in the way most people are thinking. I think this Joker is not actually REAL! What do I mean? You're about to find out!

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    Writer: Matthew Patrick and Zach Stewart
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  • Nenad Jakovljevic
    Nenad Jakovljevic  6 hours back

    Everyone is making videos today!!!

    • Khalie Benjii
      Khalie Benjii  6 hours back


      • MultiTarded
        MultiTarded  8 hours back

        This was pretty accurate, wow. Nice job.

        • BillyBob Jr
          BillyBob Jr  16 hours back

          Wat was Mat Pat before he did full time yt? Cuz he does his research spot on, runs tests, knows where to look for evidence, then presents in perfectly. I mean, I don't actually know if there's a single video he hasn't convinced me on one of his points

          • vgs pfl
            vgs pfl  2 days back

            Jokers mental illness is demonic possession

            • Midnightgirl10
              Midnightgirl10  2 days back

              heres my theory
              call this movie the clown and not have it be related to the joker or batman and it wouldn't be so popular, in fact people wouldnt care about it.......

              yeah this movie was my second least favorite movie of the year boring unoriginal piece of garbage that you couldnt even pay me to see it again

              • Midnightgirl10
                Midnightgirl10  1 days back

                @vgs pfl wow what a waste of money

              • vgs pfl
                vgs pfl  2 days back

                I seen it 7 times in the theater

            • KHOKH 69
              KHOKH 69  3 days back


              • Ashieducator
                Ashieducator  3 days back

                Sucker punch 2011, style story

                • Jake Davis
                  Jake Davis  4 days back

                  I liked the suicide squad joker ): I'm sad he got so much hate.

                  • joshua delos reyes
                    joshua delos reyes  4 days back

                    Golden age joker : suicide squad's joker (the one to replace the 1966 joker one) the killer
                    Silver age joker : ??? (Unknown as of now) the greedy
                    Bronze age joker : Ben afleck joker (I assume that he will be the one to replace the character for the greatest joker as of now... The joker Heath Ledger) the mentally ill

                    Seing as what you said bronze joker works alone so aswell as the new joker Joaquin Phoenix

                    You posted that new joker movie trailer about Ben Afleck being a mentally ill person that only thinks his joker when he is in his delusion world and is always ALONE when he do his stunts... I assume that something good will happen in the future hehehe.

                    Oh yeah I made a same comment on you're vid about
                    Will joker save DC universe part 2

                    That's where I found all the info I needed ty hehe.

                    • Vemund Brudevik
                      Vemund Brudevik  5 days back

                      how can the illness be heredetary when arthur was adopted

                      • Vemund Brudevik
                        Vemund Brudevik  14 hours back

                        @SJ Metanoia im not calling him an idiot to get my point across im calling him one for not seeing it. and sure you can interpret what the filmtheory guy sayd in anny way u want. but to me the way its beeing represented as (likly he has scitsofrenia bicuse of his mother) if the film theory guy wants to say he has it bicuse of his parents then he first has to prove that claim and he dident do that whatsioever the point was made not to say arthurs biological parents where insane to but rather arthur has scitsofrenia cus his mom is insane thats the argument not the opposite

                      • SJ Metanoia
                        SJ Metanoia  17 hours back

                        @Vemund Brudevik Yes and he is saying that many people have the same illness as Arthur. So his REAL Mother/Father could've also had it too. Also no need to call him an idiot to get your point across, we're all here to discuss a movie we enjoyed.

                      • Vemund Brudevik
                        Vemund Brudevik  3 days back

                        @Boneless Communism im not saying mental illnesses cant be heredetary you idiot im saying that arthur was adopted soo his mental illness culdent have been heredetary

                      • Boneless Communism
                        Boneless Communism  3 days back

                        multiple families can have genes for mental illness

                    • lil saw
                      lil saw  5 days back

                      so this means the batman series is all made up in arthur's mind

                      • lil saw
                        lil saw  5 days back

                        so this means the batman series is all made up in arthur's mind

                        • Pinocchio the real boy

                          I don't feel like mat even watched the movie lol. Some of it is hallucination but that's not how "fantasy" works.

                          • Hayes F.
                            Hayes F.  1 days back

                            Pinocchio the real boy this video was uploaded in September. Joker came out in October.

                        • MANBEARPIG 7734
                          MANBEARPIG 7734  6 days back

                          Might also reference American psycho. (He was going around murdering people the whole movie until you find out he is a schizophrenic and never murdered anybody.). Granted I don't believe this theory but there you go.

                          • John Forni
                            John Forni  6 days back

                            Over years of following comic book lore, I actually don't think that "The Joker" is any single person at all. I think it's more of a mental state that manifests in multiple people. Kind 9f like a joint psychosis that passes from person to person. A parasitic mental break that takes hold of selected hosts and seeks to pass itself on. It makes them feel a sort of "clarity" while consequentially befuddling their perception of their own actions and enacting itself upon others to pass on it's mantle. It destroys conventional value systems in it's hosts mind, and fits them with new objectives targeting high profile individuals as a sort of rite of passage.

                            Throughout the Joker's legacy across comics and movies, the joker frequently seeks to impress his image onto others. From cutting scars onto people's cheeks in "the dark knight" to joker gas from countless comics and cartoons. And often, those victims take up the mantle of their own accord, seeking to use the joker's own games against him, but ultimately becoming indistinguishable. In less severe cases, like Harvey Deny in "the Dark Knight", the victims don't don the joker mantle directly. But they take on aspects of that brbroken mind set. Harvey chose to embody the chaos. Randomness and chance. But as he slips further into that delusion, the other parts of Joker's own delusion will appeal more to him, and he may eventually take the plunge into full-fledged Jokerhood.

                            • Kira Westerhausen
                              Kira Westerhausen  7 days back

                              Yo mat pat while I watch your Joker theories which one of those three kind of jokers do you think they are if you think that I’m wrong it’s OK PS I really like your videos and you are really dramatic and I love it

                              • smiley eymo
                                smiley eymo  7 days back

                                Ok you just got it aaaaaaalll wrong o0.

                                • Lily Quinn
                                  Lily Quinn  7 days back

                                  I’m late but thanks for making this video MatPat. I had an assignment at university where I had to examine a film and King of Comedy was one of the choices I could pick from. This video really helped me get to know this film and link it to Joker and I got a higher grade as a result!

                                  • Michael Ioffe
                                    Michael Ioffe  1 weeks back

                                    Schizophrenics are not prone to violence. Also he was adopted with plenty of reason to believe that scene was real. Though I don't think pinning down his mental illness has any utility. Also, I dont think he does anything to impress the girl. Like what would he do? Go on the Murray show? There was precedential motivation for that already. Also he doesnt seem particularly paranoid, so it's unclear why exactly all the clown things would be a paranoid delusion about "the man." I think it's actually somewhat more likely that the clown symbol may have spring boarded from reports of his murdering but, as things often do, especially when the media gets involved, the symbol took on its own meaning, which is why he has to dis-identify himself with that meaning for the audiences watching him on Murray. If it were one of his grandiose delusions (and I don't believe grandiosity is a typical schizophrenic delusion, but I could be wrong), then he wouldn't do that whether in fantasy or otherwise. In the same vein, I don't think he ever saw himself as a leader of a rebellion until the end, and even then "leader" is a generous reading. Finally, the final words form the trailer are the penultimate signifier that arthur is the (prosocial) persona (as a function of society, which is what is meant by what he writes in his notebook) and the Joker is the actual person.

                                    • DCMD RD
                                      DCMD RD  2 weeks back

                                      Everything starts in your head. Base on how you thing and how you were programed from birth to now is how you will see this movie. Everyone suffering from mental illness so only a only a few can see the truth without the mind control. The life you are living now is base on how you think so when you think someone else is crazy take a close look at self. Ask yourself this why did I like movie?

                                      • Four㐅
                                        Four㐅  2 weeks back

                                        Hey! Good video. Hereditary part is wrong. He's adopted.

                                        • Rizky pitra ananda Riski

                                          heath leadger 💘

                                          • Xenia Valenurova
                                            Xenia Valenurova  2 weeks back

                                            Check out the fun game about the Joker -

                                            • Melissa Minerva
                                              Melissa Minerva  2 weeks back

                                              Ok, so Arthur Fleck has Schizophrenia? Then how do you explain the random laughing outbursts? That is not a symptom of schizophrenia.

                                              • Dagan kliever
                                                Dagan kliever  2 weeks back

                                                Iron man could have paid thanos to go away

                                                • Aon Arts
                                                  Aon Arts  2 weeks back

                                                  I live for “ aaaaaand cut.” Glad that’s back. Don’t ever cut my cut again.

                                                  • glffcknwng
                                                    glffcknwng  2 weeks back

                                                    What movie is at 1:53 ?

                                                    • Mikey Sheep
                                                      Mikey Sheep  2 weeks back

                                                      You got it right.... kinda

                                                      • Mikey Sheep
                                                        Mikey Sheep  2 weeks back

                                                        Never mind you are completely correct

                                                    • Daisy hates You216
                                                      Daisy hates You216  2 weeks back

                                                      The girl that he loved never was there it is in his mind

                                                      • Racist Biscuit
                                                        Racist Biscuit  2 weeks back

                                                        Suicide Squad: *gives us new joker* Film theory: Thats not Joker. Joker: *new joker* Film Theory: Thats not joker

                                                        • Ramsey Schaffer
                                                          Ramsey Schaffer  2 weeks back

                                                          this isn't the Joker, as the real Joker was doused in chemicals while BATMAN was chasing him. This is too early.

                                                          • Az TheFallen
                                                            Az TheFallen  2 weeks back

                                                            Having watched movie now do you realize how far off your theory was?

                                                            • Ocean Blue
                                                              Ocean Blue  2 weeks back

                                                              I don't think anything in the movie happened. But not for the same reason you do. If you read the comics, the Joker is KNOWN for lying about his origin. No one knows how he became the Joker not even his creator doesn't know or at least won't share. He's literally told the same Batman as in. in one cohesive canon, multiple different origin stories. While I did like the movie, I don't think that's any Joker's origin and I don't think we'll find out

                                                              • Joe Hadrin
                                                                Joe Hadrin  2 weeks back

                                                                awww, is somebody salty because there was no Batman, no superhero battles?

                                                                • Jenny clark
                                                                  Jenny clark  2 weeks back

                                                                  So you think they guy just THINKS he's the the Joker? Interesting. But if so, where is the real Joker?

                                                                  • Aaron Gutierrez
                                                                    Aaron Gutierrez  2 weeks back

                                                                    Who agrees that jokers official name should be John Doe

                                                                    • TinyPandaRed
                                                                      TinyPandaRed  2 weeks back

                                                                      I mean, I thought it was pretty clear that the scenes with the woman he was crushing on were delusions. He literally showed up in her apartment and she didn’t know who he was.

                                                                      • Aamir Wilson
                                                                        Aamir Wilson  2 weeks back

                                                                        So Joker is a rip-off🤔

                                                                        • Denise Maria Branquinho

                                                                          This Joker is not real? It doesn't really mater to me... to me...!!!!!

                                                                          • Danny Schoofs
                                                                            Danny Schoofs  2 weeks back

                                                                            Missed an opportunity, to show yourself @ the end with Joker make-up :p

                                                                            • golde nnuggets69 F
                                                                              golde nnuggets69 F  2 weeks back

                                                                              This is the joker

                                                                              • Robobunch
                                                                                Robobunch  2 weeks back

                                                                                Skert skert

                                                                                • zipzap570
                                                                                  zipzap570  2 weeks back

                                                                                  This movie is giving me a headache now.

                                                                                  • Devastation OfMankind
                                                                                    Devastation OfMankind  2 weeks back

                                                                                    Can we take a minute to realise just how unfair the Oscars are goin to be next year?...

                                                                                    • Bad Therapy
                                                                                      Bad Therapy  2 weeks back

                                                                                      I made a good remix on this. Check my channel.

                                                                                      • Denerex
                                                                                        Denerex  3 weeks back

                                                                                        6:00 you've got to be shitting me. Arthur has 10x better handwriting than me.

                                                                                        • Jessica Pelt
                                                                                          Jessica Pelt  3 weeks back

                                                                                          This movie almost made me cry