Why the Long Night prequel is a Bad Idea for Game of Thrones (4/6)

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  • KTChamberlain
    KTChamberlain  6 months back

    Yi Ti says it's a heroic girl with a monkey tail was involved. Sounds like a female version of Sun Wukong, the Monkey King, the major influence behind characters like Son Goku.

    • Bazzy
      Bazzy  4 months back

      Yeah it reminded me about the journey to the west story as well. Who knows.. maybe they try to just flat out ripping off popular shit as well? They clearly left room to bhe "inspired" by literally any legend here as well.

    • The Dragon Demands
      The Dragon Demands   6 months back

      Yeah...the same thing occurred to me when I read it. Though I leaned more towards "Journey to the West" in my thoughts than "oh yeah, that Dragonball show which takes some influence from Journey to the West" (shrug)

  • T Lewis
    T Lewis  1 months back

    Curious have your posts ever said a positive thing whit hin a full post

    • Will Mosse
      Will Mosse  1 months back

      What gets me on this is that this prequel will introduce all sorts of lore and history that fucks up and does not work with the existing canon.

      • Connor Werdel
        Connor Werdel  2 months back

        Alysanne Targaryen donated the gift, to,the watch.

      • Carlo SILVI
        Carlo SILVI  3 months back

        Massime book fan here!I hated the last 4 seasons of got for many reasons which are really easy to point out.But my god men,spending hours upon hours trying to explain why something will suck before it's even out,to me,sounds like you are a bit too much.The reasons may indeed be true but as it is we don't know nothing of this and it could also promise well(if martin has given green light for this there may be a chance)

        • OnePieceNation
          OnePieceNation  3 months back

          10:21 Strongest perhaps but not the most defensible that honour goes to the Eyrie.

          • Will Mosse
            Will Mosse  1 months back

            Harranhal is (or was) arguably stronger. Storms Ends was just never subject to dragon fire.

        • OcarinaSapph1r3 -24
          OcarinaSapph1r3 -24  4 months back

          Dorne's history as a realm is slightly odd, isn't it? When the Daynes stretch back as far as the Starks (c 8000 years).
          Is Garth Bran's grandfather? I read that Brandon of the Bloody Blade was one of his children, & he was Bran's father- or was that the Reach just trying to push their way into another realm's beginnings?

          • The Dragon Demands
            The Dragon Demands   4 months back

            We don't know much about Garth - he's less certain of a historical figure than Bran or Lann - he might be an amalgam of several different people

        • OcarinaSapph1r3 -24
          OcarinaSapph1r3 -24  4 months back

          Point 4 is *exactly why* my personal choice of *The Blackfyre Rebellions* would be a much better option; it's a rich, dense period of GoT history- with all the drama, intrigue & action you could want- *&* there are three characters that link back to the original series; the original 3-Eyed Raven, who was once *Brynden mother-f*ckin' Rivers* aka Bloodraven; to me, he's one of the most, if not *the most fascinating* of George's characters- the guy was a combination of Jon, Tyrion, Baelish/ Varys, Tywin & Jaime- he bore a Valyrian sword, was of half-First Men blood (Blackwoods were originally Northern) & half-Valyrian/ Blood of the Dragon (as a Targaryen)- as far as I'm concerned, D&D's arrogance that they didn't *need* 10 seasons, with 10 eps for each to tell the story astonishes - if they'd been smart enough to utilise Bran's story better, than basically cut it out; they could have streamlined {some} of it (god knows they streamlined a sh*tton of other stuff they had no buisness doing)- it would have likely enhanced both he & Jon on-screen (though I don't know what direction the books are taking with these three, so I {might} be talking out of my a*** with this, tbh).
          The guy was Master of Whisperers, Hand of the King for multiple rulers, was a lover to one of the most beautiful women in the world at the time (who the hell would you cast with that description as your guide for her?!) & Lord Commander of the Nights' Watch- he almost single-handedly kept the realm running & prevented the Blackfyres getting more support than they did - he was so loved by his men ('The Raven's Teeth') that they willingly followed him to the Wall- a place that's largely populated by criminals, exiles & the disgraced (with only a few *choosing* to serve there- like the Starks). The fact that they couldn't even give screen!Raven his 'memories' speech from the books is so much BS that I wanted to scream.
          *Maester Aemon* was obviously alive at this time, as he went to the Wall with Bloodraven- we could see his relationship with his beloved 'Egg'- & meet the ever-popular Dunk (Brienne's purported ancestor) - the scene where he's quietly offered the Crown, but refuses- & 'takes the Black' as a way of protecting himself & his brother from being used in schemes.
          And, last, but not least- *Ser Barristan Selmy* who killed Maelys the Monstrous, the last known Blackfyre of the male line.
          Sorry for the ranty quality, lol.

          • ShadowShroud7
            ShadowShroud7  2 weeks back

            @The Dragon Demands Eh, they are legitimized bastards and the question of whether Daeron the Good is actually Aegon the IV's son has enough basis for doubt.

            Yes, Aegon IV was a monstrous asshole and the worst king to ever sit the Iron Throne. But that doesn't mean he can't ever be right. It was well known that Aegon's sister-wife hated her abusive husband and that she was in love with their brother, Aemon the Dragonknight. So as much as we don't want to give someone like Aegon IV any credit, the idea of Daeron being Aemon and Naerys' love child isn't without merit.

            If that were the case, the Blackfyres are no longer merely traitors. They could be the rightful heirs fighting for their rights much like Stannis was fighting Joffrey. In fact, the Blackfyre Rebellions has enough parallels with the War of the Five Kings to almost be poetic. BUT its even more nuanced because both Daeron and Daemon are admirable and likable people and the truth of Daeron's parentage isn't as clear. As opposed to Joffrey who is an incest-born bastard; a complete monster who'd be a bad king even if he were Robert's son; and a sock puppet for the Lannisters (mainly Tywin).

            In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the Blackfyre Rebellions are more interesting than the Dance of the Dragons. The Dance of the Dragons started off as a black/white conflict (Rhaenyra was the rightful heir by her father's will and Aegon II is a usuper and pawn of the Hightowers) and descended into a black vs black conflict with both sides committing horrible acts to point where neither deserves to win. Yes, yes, war doesn't leave either side with clean hands. But the fact is that neither Rhaenyra nor Aegon would've been great rulers if they'd survived/won the Dance. Having both die and having Rhaenyra's son Aegon III take the throne was probably the best possible outcome of the war.

          • The Dragon Demands
            The Dragon Demands   4 months back

            The Blackfyres are bastards and traitors....but even they would be a better TV prequel, with more material to draw from.

        • Dabs
          Dabs  4 months back

          33:25 "maybe Jon kills Daenerys mimicking the Azor Ahai legend to make a super sword" (or vice versa) + consequences

          This. This, is what I had in mind for the conclusion of the show; my expectations were subverted.

          • Dabs
            Dabs  4 months back

            Long Night = GRRM's version of a "Great Flood"
            Gilgamesh
            Noah

            • Vringi 37
              Vringi 37  4 months back

              Isn't that all legends about Long Night is like all this myths about great flood in our world?

              • The Dragon Demands
                The Dragon Demands   4 months back

                Martin has compared that, to how according to legend, if a "Noah" did exist he lived 6,000 years ago or something. "Bran the Builder is as far away from us as we are from Noah and the Flood"

            • Bazzy
              Bazzy  4 months back

              The hook i could see them going for with this idea is the origin of the Houses, it sounds like nearly every family tree / house we see in GoT has had its origins in this period.
              Also you know they will focus on building the wall, the white walkers and azor ahai, even if they messed up setting most of them up, its there so they might as well make it as flashy as they can.



              This sounds as shallow as a puddle the more i hear about it, in fact it reminds me an awful lot about the blank slate tropes the failed writeres that are ruining video games with their "epic" storys for years now are doing. This is the worst setup i can imagine for a character as well. But you know they will try to retcon the night king into something even more ideotic, maybe even setting him up to be a fallen hero like they now failed misrably at with dany in the last got season.. Boy i get enraged even thinking about this shit..
              If they would just stick to the fucking books night's king already and gave us the night's queen and the possible connection to the starks already, but i think they blew that already in GoT.

              • aaron weers
                aaron weers  4 months back

                This is a bad direction to go in if you're trying to bring normies back to the GoT table.

                • nightwishfan1991
                  nightwishfan1991  4 months back

                  Well considering how they butchered the Azor Ahai prophecy the first time I'm sure they'll do a fantastic job this time around. Not have it end with a teleporting ninja like last time.

                • Larry Lamb
                  Larry Lamb  4 months back

                  The TV only audience members still think that Gendry is Cersei and Roberts Long lost child. People who can’t figure out how Jon and Dany are related. 🤦‍♀️

                  • Lady Piggy
                    Lady Piggy  4 months back

                    Is it just me, or does this "demon tree" named Ygg sound suspiciously like a description of a weirwood tree?

                    • Lady Piggy
                      Lady Piggy  4 months back

                      @The Dragon Demands
                      Will do; I'm on 5B at the moment.

                    • The Dragon Demands
                      The Dragon Demands   4 months back

                      @Lady Piggy tell me your thoughts on the other videos as you go through them, I try to read all the comments

                    • Lady Piggy
                      Lady Piggy  4 months back

                      Well, they do say that most myths have at least a kernel of truth to them. I guess it's just a matter of distilling the legends to find that actual historical fact. Perhaps the Ironborn just chopped down the weirwoods of the Iron Islands to make boats after they made landfall there? Who knows...
                      Well, obviously GRRM knows to some degree, he's just not telling us. In any case, we have even less of an idea of Westerosi pre-history than we do of our own. Even the time frames of the eras in ASOIAF seem implausibly stretched out and we also have a completely unknown people-group/race that predated humans in Westeros that appears to be neither the Giants nor the CotF nor even the Others - the "Black Oily Stone" people, for lack of a better term. So fascinating, yet also so vague. I guess that's the appeal of GRRM's world building though, giving us just enough to whet our appetite and encourage discussion/debate about what it all means.

                    • The Dragon Demands
                      The Dragon Demands   4 months back

                      yeah we've noticed that. A distorted myth?

                  • Blanka Mosna
                    Blanka Mosna  4 months back

                    Winged knight IS Andal .This IS mistake

                    • Daniel Alvarado
                      Daniel Alvarado  5 months back

                      You completely omitted a passage about the last hero slaying the Others with a blade of dragonsteel. Unlike Old Nan's story, it's not a legend but an account by the Night's Watch discovered by Sam.

                      • Jason Eckstein
                        Jason Eckstein  6 months back

                        I thought the Dothraki mention to Daenerys the legend with Nisa Nisa or the wife of a hero. I don't remember if they share the Azor Ahai version of the legend or have another similar one. Was that just in the first book and not in season 1 of the show?

                        • Rastafaustian
                          Rastafaustian  6 months back

                          Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that Melisandre utters the words (possibly with no further explanation) Azor Ahai reborn.

                        • The Dragon Demands
                          The Dragon Demands   6 months back

                          ...No, the Dothraki never mention that in either one. You're thinking of the "Stallion Who Mounts the World" prophecy, which is a separate thing entirely.

                      • Rootfish
                        Rootfish  6 months back

                        I'd rather have a Wild Cards series TBH.

                      • Alan Pennie
                        Alan Pennie  6 months back

                        Nitpick time. According to the ancients (most notably Hesiod the first to use the concept of "ages" in human history) the Golden Age was indeed an age of peace.
                        Warfare came in with the later Bronze Age and the Heroic Age was the culmination of this period of strife.

                        • The Dragon Demands
                          The Dragon Demands   6 months back

                          By the gods, that's right! Ack. And I know that "Ages of Man" / Descent of Man myth off the top of my head. Golden wasn't the same as Heroic. (shrug) Well...the point stands. The books never call it "the golden Age of Heroes" and it's kind of anachronistic to call it that. And it was never a "golden age of peace" or something.

                      • Dave Studdaman
                        Dave Studdaman  6 months back

                        Anything without Martin involved will be shit

                        • Fernandez T
                          Fernandez T  6 months back

                          most LIKELY shit

                          we gotta give anything a chance....

                      • Aaron Bergman
                        Aaron Bergman  6 months back

                        If they follow show canon, Leaf fans could be in for a treat as the forest creature endlessly skulks through the forest and spies on men. Maybe Naomi Watts will be the one who befriends Leaf and teaches her "English". And Leaf could teach Naomi how to....um...securely tie a man to the base of a tree with dry, stiff roots. Surely that's a talent. Maybe I should delete this before Jane Goldman reads it.

                        • Bartimaeus of Uruk
                          Bartimaeus of Uruk  6 months back

                          The story about Durran Godsgrief's castles reminds me of the three little pigs.

                          • Rosa Gray
                            Rosa Gray  6 months back

                            Hahahaha! That Holy Grail reference is on point XD

                          • Julio Acceus
                            Julio Acceus  6 months back

                            No Ice Spiders, no dice!

                            • Joe Mullins
                              Joe Mullins  6 months back

                              Why you so salty about this? I think its great that we’re going to get to see what is so vaguely mentioned in the novels. No, Martin did not right it, but he must be ok with it. I’m looking forward to seeing this.

                              • Rastafaustian
                                Rastafaustian  6 months back

                                @Joe Mullins GRRM probably doesn't have any control over what HBO does with it's ASOIAF license.

                              • Joe Mullins
                                Joe Mullins  6 months back

                                The Dragon Demands completely understand. It’s hard to take words into context in a typed message. Lot of fights with female friends through text messages has taught me that lol. Keep doing what your doing absolutely love you channel.

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   6 months back

                                @Joe Mullins sorry, sorry, I was frustrated before. It's just....when you hear how bad it actually is, you'll realize Martin would never have willingly backed this....

                              • Joe Mullins
                                Joe Mullins  6 months back

                                The Dragon Demands I watch all your videos. You explain things very well and have entertaining things to say about the world of ice and fire. I never said Martin was onboard or had anything to do with making it. Like I said I watch all your videos. But I would have to imagine that if he wasn’t ok with someone telling a story based on his world there would some legal issues there if he wanted to put a stop on it. But I am just speculating and don’t really know how any of that works. That’s all. Hell, I would love to tell my own version of the long night. Just saying with all the mystery of the age of hero’s and the long night I think it’s a good decision to make a series about it. I will definitely give it a watch and hope it’s not as awful as you say it’s going to be. But as a fan of Martins ASOIAF right now you can’t give me enough shows that are based off it. Really hope the fall of valieria gets made also. But hoping a show fails and not being able to wait on a fan to be disappointed when seeing it just comes off a little salty. Its kinda like wanting to see the president of your own country fail. It just don’t make since to me. And now your mad at me because want to watch. Just saying. Looking forward to more videos from The Dragon Demands.

                              • The Dragon Demands
                                The Dragon Demands   6 months back

                                ….did you even watch this video? That is, Part 3 in this series? (this is part 4) The part where I said that Martin has ZERO control over this, and SPECIFIALLY explained that the mentality of "they wouldn't be doing this unless Martin is okay with it" is utterly false, as he's also said that they'd make Long Night whether he wanted to or not, so he's tacked on as an "advisor".

                                He "must" be. Conditional. Assumption. Do you KNOW? Not just "vaguely mentioned" but "he never intended to actually set a narrative in this period, and it's deeply problematic"

                                I will enjoy seeing your hopes shattered when you hear what I already know about this.