The sad truth about Little Mac in Smash - An Ultimate character analysis

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  • Published: 10 June 2019
  • I talk about Little Mac for a long time.

    This is a video I've been working on for quite a while. And is something I have been considering making for even longer. But it's finally done. In this video we take an in depth look at little mac. In an attempt to find out what works and what does not. Either way, I hope you enjoy it.

    My Twitter: twitter.com/Rekzius
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  • Azure
    Azure  4 hours back

    I’ve posted the best patch notes for Little Mac on Amino. http://aminoapps.com/p/qif4mh

    I’m going to spread the word so someone on the Smash Team could get any of this to happen.

    • Sir Soaponrope
      Sir Soaponrope  11 hours back

      10:47

      • Starman
        Starman  12 hours back

        I know im late on this vid, but the fact that he keeps saying mac has an "exploitable" or "less than stellar recovery" is bs.

        It's THE WORST recovery in the game. In both smash 4 and ult. I genuinely can't think of worse in either.

        • SVR272
          SVR272  1 days back

          https://youtu.be/4RS0BaV5ibg

          Just reminds me of the video, by King of Skill?

          • t-bone007
            t-bone007  3 days back

            Are the Dev just evil to this character or just moronic?

            • JCElzinga
              JCElzinga  4 days back

              noob killer. broken for casuals. nintendo doesnt just balance for mid level and up players. if the game is unfun for casuals that is a problem for the game. armor mechanic.

              • Rapportus5
                Rapportus5  1 weeks back

                Man that was really sad :(. Kind of cruel really. I don't get why they don't just buff low tier characters until they get them into the usability of all of the others. At the very least give them slight stat buffs every every once and a while or something easy and hotfixable. There's a lot of ways they could make him more viable just by improving basically any of his stats it seems like.. or expand his hit boxes or something. Maybe the devs hate the character. Or perhaps they just want easier control over the meta game, but idk about that cus Nintendo doesn't even really involve itself in the E sport of smash - which is unfortunate for many reasons, not the least of which are the terrible prize pools for the major tournaments. Since Valve took the wheel on Dota 2's main tourney the International like 10 years ago, they've been able to put prize pools of tens of millions and raise even more from the community, furthermore, almost every single character in Dota 2 out of well over 100 is viable cus they tune the game every 2 weeks. But despite popularity, all of the tourneys for smash are stupidly low prize pools. Wouldn't put it past such a genius weirdo like Sakurai. He buried so many strange mechanics in the game, and gave so many characters just too much gimp ness in some areas - tbh I don't even try to play a character that doesn't have at least have a good recovery - and the fact is there are some characters who can almost always make it back, and some who have extreme difficulty making it back if they get knocked far enough - buffing those characters in other areas like making Mac hit hard and run really fast is kind of pointless IMO if he can't contest in the air or on platforms, and also can't get back to the platform fairly easily, cus there's a lot of characters that can just keep him off the stage constantly and out range him, makes him and characters like him too gimmicky.
                I personally hate the buffer system, would be interested in seeing a video on that... IMO it turns a fighting game into a very fast turn based game where basically, knowing the math on frame data of your moves and your opponent's and what combo's into what is more important than any sort of creativity in a match cus it turns almost every part of a match into a series of mental guessing games. I was actually having a lot of fun playing this Smash casually, and then I made the mistake of looking into the games' and it's characters numerical mechanics and now I honestly can't even touch some characters :(

                • CooCoo PlayZ
                  CooCoo PlayZ  2 weeks back

                  I think he’s good because he’s fast hits hard and has a great ko punch

                  • roberto ramirez leon
                    roberto ramirez leon  2 weeks back

                    Well that is true
                    But take the other part to account
                    The weakness
                    Disadvantage
                    Bad advantage
                    Bad aiganst proyetiles
                    Negative recovery
                    0 grab game
                    Bad roll
                    With the minimum amount of invurnerability frames
                    With a ton of hurtbox shifting
                    And the by far the worst airdoge distance
                    Plataform camp is a thing
                    And probably more that im forgetting

                • Ricardo Milos
                  Ricardo Milos  2 weeks back

                  As a little mac main, i aprove this message

                  • Sebastian Dixon
                    Sebastian Dixon  2 weeks back

                    Did you not know Mac's counter has the highest knock back growth?

                    • supershawnodeseninja
                      supershawnodeseninja  2 weeks back

                      I know this wouldn't fix the character entirely, but like, I feel like they should leave him unable to really get or do good grabs just because he's a boxer and grabbing isn't really a large part of boxing. like, there's the clinch but that's really more of a defensive last ditch thing and doesn't involve any kind of throws and boxers don't even do anything that can really be called an effective pummel in that situation either. instead what they should do is replace neutral B with a good, fairly quick, shield breaker. of all the characters out there with shield breaking options I really don't see why little mac shouldn't have good ones. I feel like little mac should be the easiest character to get shield breaks with.

                      • roberto ramirez leon
                        roberto ramirez leon  2 weeks back

                        I think counter could be replaced (at least visually)
                        To be a wiff punish
                        Like
                        Down b
                        Enemy hit
                        Mac Dodge and counter
                        Or just doge like an extend spot Dodge that slow enemy's down
                        And mac throws are literally hits
                        Non of them are a "standar" trow
                        So yes, a bad grab make scenens
                        ¿But bad trows?

                    • Limbo
                      Limbo  3 weeks back

                      Something tells me that the devs saw that down tilt into KO punch was a kill option at low percents in Smash4 and nerfed down tilt in Ultimate with more end frames to ensure that didn't happen again.

                      • roberto ramirez leon
                        roberto ramirez leon  1 weeks back

                        @Limbo at around mid percent it used combo into fair that auto cancel from a short hop into a jab lock

                        Now it not longer combos into fair
                        Fair does not cancel form a short hop
                        And jab is too high to jab lock and in any case after the lock they can still roll or get up attat

                      • Limbo
                        Limbo  1 weeks back

                        @roberto ramirez leon I've had matches where it doesn't even combo into that so I'd say they really over did it

                      • roberto ramirez leon
                        roberto ramirez leon  2 weeks back

                        And they over did it and now It not longer combos into anything
                        Exept side b

                    • Brandon Starstorm
                      Brandon Starstorm  3 weeks back

                      I wish Little Mac's side B could spike in the air, making it less safe for people to go off stage and punish Mac. #Sidebspike

                    • TACO
                      TACO  3 weeks back

                      someone send this to sakurai

                      • MepMep
                        MepMep  3 weeks back

                        The in game footage in this video is the most depressing thing I've seen in a long time

                        • Jorge Luna
                          Jorge Luna  3 weeks back

                          nice danganronpa 2 music, keep up the good work. mac desperately needs a buff

                          • HeadlessHobbit
                            HeadlessHobbit  3 weeks back

                            1:10 I keep hearing something about smashing a hoe

                            • I Am A Pig
                              I Am A Pig  3 weeks back

                              Little Mac just got injured real bad, and he's in the hospital. Unfortunately, it's so bad he isn't expected to make a good recovery

                              • Aidan Or
                                Aidan Or  3 weeks back

                                I main Little Mac, it suits me perfectly because I have no off-stage game.

                                • Zach Couch
                                  Zach Couch  3 weeks back

                                  But how do you really feel about Lil Mac?

                                  • Billy Bois
                                    Billy Bois  3 weeks back

                                    Tragically, i understand Little Mac, both in real life and in the game, and i think the 1001 battles i've had since i bought the game in May, of this year (thought i stoped playing with him that often) prove something, still, i hold Mac very close to my heart

                                    • Top quaility banter
                                      Top quaility banter  3 weeks back

                                      HE HAS A BAD GRAB BECAUSE HE HAS BOXING GLOVES ON YOU ABSOLUTE BAFOON!!!

                                      • SirusTheVirus
                                        SirusTheVirus  3 weeks back

                                        But he has no grab follow ups and can't kill

                                    • Zero Bahamut
                                      Zero Bahamut  3 weeks back

                                      i main lucario tbh, but its good learning how mac works

                                      • PocketNachos
                                        PocketNachos  3 weeks back

                                        you sound like the linux experience

                                        • You know more than me, but,

                                          That campy marth got me tilted just watching

                                          • Paolo Conti
                                            Paolo Conti  3 weeks back

                                            In air is usless, little z's air mac is disappointed

                                            • 1ceClimber
                                              1ceClimber  3 weeks back

                                              I wonder why the devs seems to hate Little mac so much. Yes, his design is supposed to be flawed by design but just giving such few tools to compete with literally the rest of the cast seems a bit insane.

                                              • Andrew Grottle
                                                Andrew Grottle  3 weeks back

                                                What is wanna know is: Why didn't they make Little Mac's character design be about being really good at countering people, punishing misplays, interrupting, and dodging (which is what he mostly did in the Punch Out!! series, yes?) instead of about being good on the ground but bad in the air?

                                                • Blame Me
                                                  Blame Me  3 weeks back

                                                  i see, an ultimate character anal

                                                  • Zoe Elsenova
                                                    Zoe Elsenova  3 weeks back

                                                    I agree that he's fundamentally weak. But since 4 he's been my main unrelenting shield breaker. Everybody seems to play a character in a standardized way, and LM doesn't fit the standard of mostly air attacking. His best method of attacking is chasing, wailing, abusing super armor in smashes, and being clever about using his B to super armor through some final smashes. I rarely use his specials because they all suck, except for his side B which I can pull out and hit with at an insane speed when somebody is close enough. I use his counter rarely for deflecting projectiles and making it back to the ground. His up B is pure, unadulterated, twirly garbage and should be equated to interpretive dancing. I used to main ZSS and Samus, and then since Smash 4 Mac is just so insanely OP in my hands (results may vary). He's the only one who can take down my weakest amiibo

                                                    • Sanic 41
                                                      Sanic 41  3 weeks back

                                                      Little Mac having the fastest aerial being Neutral-Air at frame 2, is honestly bizarre at best.😅

                                                      Also being able to Shield cancel Little Mac’s Neutral-Special, but Sonic losing that functionality of his Spin-Dash from Smash 4, is just plain unfair.

                                                      • An Meme
                                                        An Meme  3 weeks back

                                                        If Mac's side b was a reflector that would be insane

                                                        • Garrett Oliva
                                                          Garrett Oliva  3 weeks back

                                                          Bro he literally has boxing gloves on, no wonder his grab is ca-ca smh.

                                                          • Ciaran Crouse
                                                            Ciaran Crouse  4 weeks back

                                                            I still main Lil Mac. I did it for the meme originally, now I’m just in it for the long run and I honestly still love him. Smash ultimate made him a lot better.

                                                            • Nubbz3
                                                              Nubbz3  4 weeks back

                                                              Most of what you mentioned wad either fixed in Ultimate or a good player can work around it.
                                                              He was WAY worse in Smash 4. He has many more ways to recover in Ultimate.

                                                              • Syrinx
                                                                Syrinx  4 weeks back

                                                                Thing is Mac is a boxer, and boxers don’t usually fight in the air nor do they usually grab their opponent. Its usually just punching.

                                                                • KevinJusticeWarrior
                                                                  KevinJusticeWarrior  4 weeks back

                                                                  "His side B is very good recovery"
                                                                  *Watches joker grapple 50 ft off the stage*

                                                                  • Elektre 888
                                                                    Elektre 888  4 weeks back

                                                                    Meanwhile my friend : *DASH ATTACK*

                                                                    • D Nevinski
                                                                      D Nevinski  4 weeks back

                                                                      Lol...this was soo depressing to watch

                                                                      • G. Lee
                                                                        G. Lee  1 months back

                                                                        Little Mac works as a joke character that’s meant to be bad

                                                                        • Mamodokod
                                                                          Mamodokod  1 months back

                                                                          I use lil mac's nair all the time it's in my opinion the best drag down nair in the game and it combos into jab and probably other stuff I just haven't tried. And you can use it to drag down characters to death.

                                                                          • No WackyTobaccy
                                                                            No WackyTobaccy  1 months back

                                                                            His flaws would be alright if they made him immune to grabs and it would fit his theme because he would be. Nimble and agile at 107 p

                                                                            • MaverickArrowMusik
                                                                              MaverickArrowMusik  1 months back

                                                                              Wrong. Greninja has the single worst counter in the game. Thanks for the tios tho. Subscribbled

                                                                              • Arenn Dups
                                                                                Arenn Dups  1 months back

                                                                                Do I hear danganronpa??!!

                                                                                • Actually Wario
                                                                                  Actually Wario  1 months back

                                                                                  Remember son dying is gay

                                                                                  • Mystic Josh
                                                                                    Mystic Josh  1 months back

                                                                                    Well i dont care nigga 💯

                                                                                    • Rabano Doom
                                                                                      Rabano Doom  1 months back

                                                                                      I think what really breaks him is just comparison outside of a vacuum. There are characters with a ground game equal to if not better than mac. Even if a sonic, fox, wolf, pikachu, joker, pokemon trainer, snake, etc. exclusively played against mac on the ground, it still would be a challenging experience for mac. The fact that there are characters in this game with equal or even superior strength on the ground to him *without* all of mac's glaring problems just annihilates his character

                                                                                      • Lovable Pervert
                                                                                        Lovable Pervert  1 months back

                                                                                        Much respect to lil mac mains